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Von: Michael Scarpitti <MScarpit@asnt.org>
An: Multiple recipients of list <kant-l@bucknell.edu>
Betreff: RE: OPINION POLL B XVI: RESULTS AFTER
Datum: Dienstag, 12. Januar 1999 23:08

Though this was indeed labelled an opinion poll from the very beginning,
it is not clear what it might accomplish.

What Kant's shift in the paradigm of knowledge accomplished is primarily
that of creating a new tool or weapon of philosophical criticism that
would forever make such foolishness as the Ontological Argument
impossible. It is, in other words, one of correcting our views about
what we can claim to know at all - not how we know what we do know. It
is indeed philosophical and not "scientific"; or, to be more specific,
"meta-scientific".

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> From:     ed.s@sfnet.com
> Reply To:     kant-l@bucknell.edu
> Sent:     Tuesday, January 12, 1999 09:21 PM
> To:     Multiple recipients of list
> Subject:     OPINION POLL B XVI: RESULTS AFTER
>
>
>
> > FINAL COMMENT: the fundamental task
>
> > Although I received only few answers, I have profited a lot and
> would like
> > to continue the conversation with those interested in this topic.
> It
> > addresses in my opinion the FUNDAMENTAL TASK of any cognitive
> > science and philosophy of science.
> >
> >
> > Marco Bettoni
>
> May one ask what this fundamental task is, whether only in your
> opinion or in
> some alleged majority/minority views these days? Then perhaps how it
> is
> addressed will become clear to more readers, including me.
>
> > 3) questioning the question =3D 3
>
> > - 3.b =3D the question is paradox, fictitious and socratic
> >
> > * I do not see how a question like "do you experience that more
> > persons think A or B ?" could be 'paradox, fictitious and
> socratic'.
>
> > * the question is not "do you agree or not with A or B?"; the
> > question is about what paradigm, A or B, do you experience as
> > dominant (accepted by the majority of other persons). These are
> > different questions.
>
> Let me guess at what is meant -
>
> I don't experience any such thing either way. At most I might have
> opinions
> about the opinions and paradigms of other folks, and I might
> experience my
> opinions as such (I might know what I believe). As such, the question
> as
> stated is asking for hearsay and personal opinion, thus largely
> fictitious as
> opposed to factual, and hardly indicative of science. If the alleged
> dichotomy
> is a false dichotomy, then one might call the question paradoxical. In
> my
> thinking about knowing, knowing "works both ways" (A and B); to call
> that a
> dichotomy is to cut an apple in two and say "Look! It was two parts
> all
> along." If we then ask which piece some people seem to favor, what
> does that
> accomplish for science?
>
> If a question is posed to teach something about proper thinking, can
> it be
> called 'socratic' and be not merely rhetorical?
>
> I suppose one of the fundamental issues is that how you ask a question
> can
> influence the answer you get, something well known to professional
> pollsters,
> for instance. Is that the point, in regards "fundamental task of
> cognitive
> science"?
>
>
> Ed Severinghaus
>
>
>